Ancestory of Terry L Koberstein - aqwn04 - Generated by Ancestral Quest

Ancestors of Terry Lynn KOBERSTEIN

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8. Ludwig KOBERSTEIN Junior

DEATH: Death Certificate gave both death and burial dates and places. Also Father as Louis Koberstein born in Germany and mother born in Germany. Birth day is calculated.

BIRTH: 1860 U. S. Cencus
1860 Cencus taken on August 4, Town of Newton, County of Marquette, WI
Lastname, Firstname, age, sex, occupation, birthplace
Cablestine, Ludovic, 45, M, Farmer, Prussia
Cablestine, Caroline, 40, F, , Prussia
Cablestine, Gotlip, 17, M, , Prussia
Cablestine, Ludovic, 14, M, , Prussia

BIRTH: 1870 U. S. Cencus
1870 Cencus taken on June 18, Town of Newton, County of Marquette, WI
Lastname, Firstname, age, sex, occupation, birthplace
Koberstine, Louis, 23, M, Farmer, Prussia
Koberstine, Caroline, 17, F, Keeping House, Prussia
Koberstine, William, 2, M, , At Home, Wisconsin

BIRTH: 1880 U. S. Cencus
1880 Cencus in Shakatan Township
Lastname, Firstname, age, sex, Birthplace
Coverstine, Louis, 33, M, Prussia
Coverstine, Caroline, 27, F, Prussia
Coverstine, Wm., 12, M,
Coverstine, Lydia A., 8, F, Minnesota
Coverstine, Samuel R., 4, M, Minnesota
Coverstine, Friederick, 2, M, Minnesota

BIRTH: 1900 U. S. Cencus
Birth Place
NAME Rel 1 2 Birth Ag 3 4 5 6 Person Father Mother
-------------------- ---- - - -------- -- - -- - - ------ ------ ------
Koberstein, Louis L Head W M Dec 1846 53 M 30 8 5 Germy Germy Germy
Caroline Wife W F Nov 1852 47 M 30 Germy Germy Germy
Samuel Son W M Mar 1876 24 S Minn Germy Germy
Albert M Son W M Dec 1882 17 S Dakota Germy Germy
Leon A Son W M Dec 1885 14 S Dakota Germy Germy
own
NAME Occupation read write speak home
--------- ---------- ---- ----- ----- ---- -------- ----
Louis L Blacksmith Yes Yes Yes Yes Mortgage home
Caroline - Yes Yes Yes
Samuel Farm Lab. Yes Yes Yes
Albert at school Yes Yes Yes
Leon at school Yes Yes Yes

BIRTH: 1920 U. S. Cencus
1920 Cencus, Town of Gaston, County of Washington, Oregon
Last name, Firstname,Relationship, age, sex, birthplace
Koberstein, Louis, , 76, M, Prussia
Koberstein, Carolina, W, 70, F, Prussia
Koberstein, Sam, S, 43, M, Wisconsin
Koberstein, Etta, Gd, 13, Oregon
Koberstein, Robert, Gs, 11, Oregon
Koberstein, Elva, Gd, 7, Oregon
Koberstein, Lillie, Gd, 5, Oregon
Koberstein, James, Gs, 2 1/12, Oregon
Marriage date estimated as abt. 1866 from birth date of Will Koberstein. The estimated date is 1870 from the 1900 cencus data is off by four years.

BIRTH: Godparents: Louise Baier, Martin Koberstein

Per letter dated Sept. 28, 1998 from Barbara Herschberger (Librarian at Ivanhoe public library) she indicates that the family listed in the 1880 Cencus (for which she sent the information also) was not listed in the 1885 State cencus. Furthermore Louis Koberstien was on the tax role for 1882 in the township of Shaokatan but not for 1883. Therefore he must have moved.

1) White 2) Male/Female 3) Married/Single 4) Years married 5) # Children 6) #
Children living

Voting register for Albert Koberstein listing parents as Louis M. as father and Caroline as mother. 1900 cencus gave father as Louis L.

I visited the Hill cemetary and saw gravestone for Louis Koberstein.

Portland Directory listings for Louis Koberstein and Karl (brother maybe)
1889 Louis Blacksmith res 8 Sherman
Karl Cigar Factory R Sharp bds Metropolis Hotel
1892 Karl Cigar Factory 250 Main bds Metropolis Hotel
1893 Karl McFarlane & Co. Cigar mfgrs 291 1/2 Morrison
1894 Karl same as 1893
Mary Dom 126 19th N.
1897 Karl same as 1893 rms 240 1st
1902 Karl Cigarmkr Ross Sharp, rms Metropolis Hotel
1904 Karl Cigarmkr Ross Sharp Co res 189 1/2 Grant
1905 Karl Ross Sharp Co res 685 1st
1906 Karl Ross Sharp Co res 632 1st
1907/8 Karl same as 1906
1909 Karl same as 1906
1914 Karl married to Elizabeth working for Ross Sharp Co. h 223 Monroe

NAME: Per 12Nov1980 letter from Mr. Jay M. Balfour, she had looked up voting register for Louis Koberstein but they did'nt go back that far however Albert M. Koberstein was listed with his father Louis M. Koberstein. Note the middle initial of M. instead of L. as I have in my record.

MARRIAGE: Marriage registration held in Marquette county courthouse, Wisconsin.

BIOGRAPHY: Godparents - Godparents: Louise Bairn?, Martin Koberstein

9. Caroline Auguste HOFFMANN

Death: Death certificate gave name born in Germany. Also William Hoffman as ‚father and Agusta Bitner as mother, both born in Germany.

BIRTH: Actual Birth date found on Kirchenbuch, 1826-1774 (Obersitzko) Microfilm # 1194740 Item 3, p129 #82. Birth date given as 5 NOV 1850 on Death certificate.

1900 U.S. Cencus (see husband for full details). Gives birth data as Nov 1852.

1900 U.S. Cencus for Fred Koberstein (with Satterlee family) gave Mothers birthplace as well as his as Maryland. The two cencus data are at odds on this. Other information indicates Caroline came to U.S. when three years old.

Hill Cemetary in Gaston, Quoted in 30 AUG 1976 letter from G. Balfour gives birth date as 1953 and death year as 1924.

CHRISTENING: Christening information date found on Kirchenbuch, 1826-1774 (Obersitzko) Microfilm # 1194740 Item 3, p129 #82.

Kirchenbuch, 1826-1774 (Obersitzko) Microfilm # 1194740 Item 3, p129 #82 gave name as Caroline Auguste Hoffmann.

According to Meyers gazetteer...

Obersitzko (prev. 'Obrzycko'), city of 1746 residents on the Warthe river, Kreis Samter, Posen. It had its own: Civil reg. office; Catholic, Protestant and Jewish houses of worship; pool; hospital, gasworks; bank; cattle and general goods markets; grain dealer; cement products factory; distillery and mill. Obersitzko was also the name of the surrounding 'estate district' which comprised various Vorwerks, foresty offices, estates and noble's estates totalling 1129 persons.

Hope this helps,
James Birkholz,
birchwd@flash.net

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Dear Suzanne,

I was in Poland last year just north of Obersitzko. I have traced my family back to Obersitzko now but at the time I did not know it. However, I have recieved pictures and a short history of Obersitzko from my guide who went there after I left. His brief history is as follows:

The earliest known mention about this place goes back to 1238, when a
castellany is marked (means an area ruled by a nobleman - the king's deputy called the "Castellan" lived in the closest castle)

In the 15th century Obertsitzko is invested with city rights.

In the 16th century the city collapsed due to the destruction of Swedish invaders, robbery and pestilence.

In 1636 the city recovers, and new civic law is invested.

in 1650 a new city hall is built. At that time clothmakers from Germany arrived and settled. Oberstizko becomes a prosperous fabric center of the 17th-19th centuries.

In 1934 the city is deprived of civic rights because of it does not have the population required by law.

Since 1990 the civic rights are invested in the city again.

My guide also sent pictures of Obersitzko and mentioned that the Roman Catholic Church which is still standing was built in 1724-28 and was designed by famous Italian architect, Pompeo Ferrari. The Lutheran church is also still standing although apparently not in use. It was built in 1795.

As to records....We are fortunate that the LDS library has a nearly complete set of films for Catholic, Protestant and civil records. If you have web access you can look them up at www.familysearch.org which is the LDS website. I have listed a few below for you.

Film # 0747352 Civil Transcripts and Protestant parish records
Baptism, marriage and death 1844-51, 1854-55, 1857-1865
Film # 1191375 Items 6-21 Civil Transcripts and Protestant parish
records
Marriage and death 1866
Baptism, Marriage and death 1867-68
Marriage and death 1869
Baptism, marriage and death 1870
Baptism and death 1871-72

Film # 1191376 Items 1-4 Civil Transcripts and Protestant parish records
Marriage and death 1872-73

The Protestant films go all the way back to 1737. I will be looking at 0747352 and earlier films tonight so I will keep my eye out for your names. I believe that another Posen Lister, Terry Koberstein, has Hoffmann family in Obersitzko and Grunberg so maybe you two can find a connection.

I will pass along anything I find on the history of the area etc. If you email me privately with your snail mail address I will send you color copies of the pictures I have of Obersitzko.

All the best,
Paul Wolter

Posted to POSEN-L by Paul Wolter [pawolter@chorus.net] 1/20/2002
I have two sources of information on the protestant church building in Oberstizko, (Obrzycko, Poland) which I saw on a trip last May. I have had one of the descriptions translated and I include both versions below for those interested. The second description I have only in German it was written a little later than the first and says something about a new church. I would like anyone's opinion as to whether this implies the old church was no more or was this another building. If you would like to see a picture of what I think is the old building please go to my website at www.krenzgenealogy.homestead.com where you will find it on the opening page.

**First Description in German**
"Geschichte der evangelischen Parochien in der Provinz Posen" 1904
Obersitzko
Im Dezember deselben Jahre 1739 war das im Walde bearbeitete Holz zu einer neuen Kirche von der Gemeinde bereits auf en Bauplatz gebracht worden, als an sie die unerwartete willfürliche Weisung ihres Gutsherrn erging, die Kirche solle entweder in 24 Stunden vollendel dastchen oder niemals auf erbaut werden dürsen. Die Gemeinde verlor den Mut nicht, alle Glieder legten Hand ans Werf, wirtlich gelang es, das Gebäude binnen 24 Stunden auszustellen, Fachwerk und Dach mit Brettern zu verschlagen, und unter großer Erhebung der Gemüter konnte von der Gemeinde in eigener Kirche die Christnact geseiert werden. Noch heute steht diese diese in einem Tage erbaute Kirche, ein Denkmal des Glaubensmute unserer Vorfahren; doch ist sie jetzt mit Brandsteinen ausgemauert, mit Ziegeln gedeckt und seit 1775 nach der aus dem Reichstage zu Warschau erteilten Genehmigung mit einem Turme versehen. Noch härtere Prüfungen standen der Gemeinde bevor. Um die Mitte des achtzehnten Jahrhunderts war Obers!
itzko im Besitze eines Herrn v. Raczynski. Als dieser am 28 August 1746 in lustiger Gesellschaft sich besand, setzte er die evangelische Ortskirche, als einen aus seinem Grund und Boden stehenden Schuppen, beim Spiele aus eine Karte und verspielte sie an einem zum Katholizismus übergetetenen Reformierren, Wladnslaw von Bonnikowski, welcher als nunmehriger Besitzer die Kirche noch desselben Tages schließen ließ und allen Gotttesdienst in derselben untersagte, indem zugleich die Geistlichkeit erklärte, durch den Vorfall habe Gott und die heilige Jungfrau ijr Mißsallen an den Dissidenten kund gethan. Der Pfarrer Johann Rosenau war genötigt, die Gemeinde zu verlassen. Erst das den Dissidenten Duldung gewährende Reichsgesetzt von 1768 gab der Gemeinde ihr Eigentum zurück. Am Osterfeste 1768 konnte sie nach 22jähriger Entbehrung ihres Gotteshauses die Andachten in demselben wieder beginnen, die nun keine weitere Unterbrechung erlitten. Damals schlossen sich Samter und Wronke and d!
iese Parochie an und blieben mit ihr vereinigt, bis sie eigene Pfarrer 1787 bez. 1779 erhielten. Im Jahre 1838 wurde die Gemeinde durch ein Gnadengescheuk des Königs Friedrich Wilhelm III in den Stand gesetzt, ein zweistockiges massives Pfarrhaus zu erbauen; König Friedrich Wilhelm IV gewährte ihr einen großen Teil der Mittel zur Beschaffung einer Orgel, 1874 wurde ein neues Pfarrhaus erbaut. Gegenwärtig gehören zur Parochie außer der Stadt Obersitzko ausehnliche deutsche Hauländereien: Grünberg, Stobnica, Stobnica Hauland, Podlesie, Jarischewo, insgesamt 22 Ortschaften mit 2541 Seelen (einschließlich Obersitzko)

**First Description in English**

Oberstizko

In December of the same year, 1739, the wood that had been worked in the forest for the congregation's new church was already gathered on the building site when there came an unexpected and arbitrary order from the estate's lord, saying that either the church would
have to stand there completed within 24 hours, or it would never be allowed to be built. The congregation did not loose their courage, all the members set their hand to the work, and they really did succeed in erecting the building within 24 hours, and covering the frame and the roof with boards. With a great raising of their spirits, the congregation was able to celebrate Christmas Eve in their own church. This church, built in a single day, is still standing today, a memorial to the strength of our ancestors' faith. However now it has brick [or stone?] walls, it is covered with tiles, and since 1775 it has a tower, for which the parliament in Warsaw gave their permission.

The congregation was to face even harder tests. Around the middle of the eighteenth century Obersitzko was owned by a Mr. von Raczynski. On the 28th August 1746 he found himself among wild companions. He bet the Protestant church in a card game, and lost it. He could do
this because it stood on his land and ground. The winner was Wladeslaw von Bonnikowski, a former Protestant who had converted to Catholicism. The new owner closed the church that very day, and forbade all church services in the building. He said that through these events God and the Holy Virgin had shown their dissaproval of the religious dissidents.

Reverend Johann Rosenau was forced to leave the congregation. The congregation got back its property by the law of 1768 which granted tolerance to dissidents. At Easter 1768 services could start again in the same church which the congregation had been deprived of for 22 years and now they lasted without interruption. At the time Samter and Wronke joined this parish and remained united until they received their own parish priests in 1779 and 1787 resp. In 1838 the congregation was enabled to build a massive two-storeyed parish office by an act of mercy of King Frederick William III; King Frederick William IV granted a major part of the financial means to purchase an organ. In 1874 a new parish office was built. Today the parish consists of 22 villages with 2541 inhabitants including the town of Obersitzko, among them Grünberg, Stobnica, Stobnica Hauland, Podlesie, Jarischewo.

**Second Description in German**

"Posener Evangelische Kirche - Ihre Gemeinden und Pfarrer von 1548 bis 1945" 1967

Obersitzko

1649 errichtet, zugleich Bau einer Kirche, die am 15.6.1739 abbrannte. Dezember 1739 neue Kirche in 24 Stunden erbaut, später mit Brandsteinen ausgemauert, seit 1775 mit Turm. 1746 Kirche durch Spiel des Gutsherrn verloren, 1768 wiederhalten. (1828 u. 1874 Pfarrhäuser erbaut). Neue Kirche 21.12.1912 eingeweiht, n. 1945 abgerissen.

" Posener Evangelist church - your municipalities and ministers from 1548 to 1945 " 1967 Obersitzko at the same time building of a church, which burned down to 15.6.1739, establishes 1649. December 1739 new church in 24 hours builds, later with fire stones brick-lined, since 1775 with tower. 1746 church by play of the property gentleman lost, for 1768 again-hold. (1828 and 1874 parsonage buildings build). New church 21,12,1912 inaugurated, n. 1945 torn off.

10. Julius William LAFLEUR Junior

Ancestral file download of 5/92 only had birth date of abt. 1862, which is
wrong all other data is mine.
Temple work put on disk 10/21/92 at LV FHC for Oakland Temple.
Baptism and Confirmation work done May 19, 1993 with Louis Charles Koberstein
as proxy and Louis Pennow baptising and confirmation done by Terry L.
Koberstein. Initiatory done same day by Terry L. Koberstein. Endowment done
May 29, 1993 at the Oakland temple by Terry L. Koberstein. Sealing to parents
done with Luetta and I serving as proxy for parents and someone else as him.
1992 AF update gave [1862] as birth year only, [] means computer calculated.
On May 31, 1993 (Memorial Day) I visted the Alta Mesa Cemetary at 695
Aarastradero Road, Palo Alta, Calif. 94306 and found the grave for Julius Sm.
Flowers in the Laurel section, tier G, Lot 21.
"My great-grandfather was Julius William LaFleur. My grandfather translated
his own name and became Julius William Flowers. He has this to say about his
father: 'In regard of my father's birht, he was born in Point Lerey (Canada),
South of Quebec. When he was 21, he went south and got aquainted with a
family named Smith and married (their) girl (Sarah). Her father was English
born in England; her mother was French. My father's father was born in France
and came to point Lerey. After my father had married, he went to Coldbrook,
New Hampshire, and when the War (i.e. Civil War) open...(illegible) years
later he skipt (sic) across the line in (to) Canada, but they caught 3 persons
that was with him, but he was ahead (of them and) he was not caut (sic)'.
Young Julius Flowers ran away from home at the age of 16 and joined the Union
Army. (1868).
He says about himself and I quote: 'I was born Sept. 24, 1852. I am now 74 (at
time of writing). Julius W. Flowers was born in Coldbrook, N.H. Moved to
Ranborow Newport, Compton County, Province of Quebec. There took wife and had
three born. Then went north of Fort William, Canada, and from there to
Harris, Minnesota. Then I got aquainted with a girl name(d) Alice Clover.
The father's name was Dan Clover. I married Alice Arvilla Clover July 3,
1880, at St. Croix Falls, Minn. That was 18 miles from where Dan Clover lived
(at Amador), 11 miles from Harris. There were 5 girls born: Sada (sic),
Marion, Lucy, Mildred and Vergey (sic). Alice was 17 years old when I married
her, al most 18, liked about one month. Sarah Christina was born Oct. 22,
1881 at Harris, Minn. Marion Isobel (or Isobelle) was born July 21, 1883 at
Shell Lake, Wis. Lucy Adaline, Aug. 27 1885 at Amador, Minn. Mildred May, Oct.
30 1887 at Amador. Birgie Gertrude, Oct. 11, 1889, at Harris. My wife Alice
was born Nov. 14, 1862, died Dec. 1889 at 2:40 pm.' THE OLD MAN Biography of
a Pacific Northwest Logger by Manly Bannister. The Iron Goose Press, Portland
Oregon. Privately Published for the family. pp51 and 52. Note: Marriage
record says his name is Julius Smith, he was also known to use SMITH on other
occasions as suited his purposes."
All above from "The Barney Clover Family" compiled by M.P.Peterson June 1981

These are the notes from a discussion with my Aunt Veta August 16, 1977.
Julius W. LaFleur Jr married this individual in Quebec (possibly Rnboro,
Compton county) to a lady of possible german ancestry. When Mildred M.
LaFleur tryed to obtain some of the LaFleur inheritance from france they told
her, Julius Wm. LaFleur Jr. had been disinherited (or was not eligible) as he
married a german woman(possibly this one). This is per Aunt Veta's memory.
This womans first name may be Caroline because this name is listed as not a
family member but in the LaFleur Sr. Family group in the 1871 cencus. She was
20 and Julius Jr. was 16. Moved to Fort Williams (now Thunder Bay) on the
northern shore of Lake Superior). It is unclear if this was alone or with his
family. Aunt Veta remembers she died as opposed to being divorced or
abandoned. From her Julius Wm. LaFleur moved to Harris Minn. and married
Alice Clover and had 5 children one of which was Mildred May (My grandmother).
Alice died in 1889.

11. Alice Arvilla CLOVER

GED download file from oakland genealogical library gave:
Birth date 14 Oct 1862 (Two months after my date of AUG) and
Death Dage 14 DEC 1889 (My data is 7 DEC 1889) Submitted to Oakland
Temple disk prepared 10/21/92 at LV FHC.
GED download file from Antioch genealogical library (12Nov96):
Added date/temple for baptism and endowment. SP remains "submitted".
Also the sealing to spouse date was given as 12 Jan 1974 SL, so my work
was a duplication of this previous sealing.

Tomestone at the Sunrise Cemetery transcribed by Joleen and in 1/98 e-mails
"Flowers, Alice A.; Wife of J.W.; Dau of D.S. & S.M. Clover; 14 Nov 1862 - 14
Dec 1888"

12. (Jens) Christian JENSEN

From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.

13. Stena RASMUSSEN

This individual has the following other parents in the Ancestral File:
Hans P /RASMUSSEN/ (AFN:470B-QR) and Bodel K /LARSEN/ (AFN:470B-RX)

GEDCOM line 245 not recognizable or too long:
(SLGC) 2 DATE 13 JAN 1969 MAY 1928

From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.

14. Ezra James PHELPS

From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.

GEDCOM line 18234 not recognizable or too long for MRIN 11:
() 1 RESN Privacy

From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.

GEDCOM line 18234 not recognizable or too long for MRIN 11:
() 1 RESN Privacy

15. Jane ROBERTS

From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.

"History of Bear Lake Pioneers" Compiled by Edith Parker Haddock and Dorothy Hardy Matthews, edited by F. Ross Peterson, Edith Parker Haddock and Dorothy Hardy Matthews, published by Daughters of Utah Pioners, Bear Lake County, Idaho
page 594-595

JANE ROBERTS PHELPS by Mrs James Jensen

Jane Roberts Phelps was born March 9, 1871 at Smithfield, Utah to Chritopher and Catherine Roberts, who were converts to the L.D.S. Church in Wales. Grandfather was disowned by his family and came to Utah alone. Grandmother's grandparents suffered much persecution before leaving their native country.

When Mother was foru her mother died and from then on she lived wiht one relative and then another until she grew up. This was not any easy life for she never knew where she belonged or where she would be tomorrow.

When her oldest sister, Mary Ann, married William Kunz in 1885, Mother come to Bear Lake to live with them and joined many other young women working at the Kunz dairy and cheese plant on Slug Creek. Here she learned the art of making delicious cheese.

She grew into a beautiful young woment with a loving, sympathetic nature, beloved by all who knew here.

On October 13, 1892 she was married to Ezra James Phelps in the Logan Temple. He was the son of Joseph Phelps.

My parents settled on the Phelps ranch in Alton Valley east of Montpelier and raised stock, grain, wild hay, and bands of horses.

Here Mother set up a cheese factory of her own and with the knowledge gained at the Kunz factory, made a wonderful grade product for which people drove for mile sot buy repeatedly.

Life was not easy, but with a heart to do everything right, she managed to create a loving home atmosphere and a measure of gracious living with what she had.

Nine children were born, five survived her. She passed away December 21, 1924.